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Firearms Training Associates, California CCW Carry Limits & Holster Retention
Estimated reading time: 5 min
CCW instructor Bill Murphy returns to walk through the full scope of Firearms Training Associates, a facility at Mike Raahauge Shooting Enterprises in Eastvale, California, that has trained Green Berets, Navy SEAL DEVGRU, MARSOC operators, and Air Force Pararescuemen alongside everyday civilians. Murphy also covers how many loaded firearms a California CCW holder can legally carry, whether leather or Kydex wins the holster argument, and how retention requirements change depending on whether you are carrying concealed or on duty.
Where to Try a Variety of Handguns in Southern California
A caller from Woodland Hills asked where someone can handle and shoot a variety of handguns at a single location before committing to a purchase. The answer is most indoor ranges with a rental counter. Nearly every indoor range carries a selection of guns available to rent by the hour, and a quick search for indoor gun ranges with rentals in Southern California will surface roughly twenty options in the region. The crew mentioned several by name: Magnum Range in the Inland Empire, Smoke and Barrel out in Simi Valley, Evans Firing Line, LA Progressive, La Point, and the Beverly Hills Gun Club. Even the Burro Canyon range in the foothills carries rentals. The standard advice is to call ahead, confirm what is in stock, and bring a friend: most ranges require a companion when renting because of the liability surrounding solo visitors.
One caveat worth keeping in mind if you plan to do this shopping in Las Vegas: the rental ranges there tend to carry full-auto exotica and suppressed firearms that are either restricted or unavailable for civilian purchase in California. It makes for a memorable afternoon, but you may fall in love with something you cannot take home. Better to try guns locally at a range like Mike Raahauge Shooting Enterprises in Eastvale, where the rental inventory reflects what California residents can actually own.
FTA’s Training Pedigree: From Gunsite to SOCOM
Bill Murphy has 46 years in law enforcement and brings a resume that most ranges cannot match. He has worked for Gunsite Academy, one of the most respected firearms training institutions in the country. He ran SureFire‘s training division for a number of years. He has been contracted by SOCOM to train Green Berets, by Naval Special Warfare Development Group (DEVGRU), by MARSOC (Marine Special Operations Command), and he spent a decade teaching weapons to Air Force Pararescuemen. That is the curriculum that came home to Eastvale.
Firearms Training Associates operates out of Mike Raahauge Shooting Enterprises, where the facility includes dedicated classrooms with electricity and air conditioning, multiple purpose-built ranges, and a force-on-force simulation area where students engage in scenario training using simulation rounds. The course ladder starts at absolute beginner and climbs through pistol fundamentals, carbine, rifle, building clearing, night shoots, and low-light operations. Government agencies hire Murphy’s team to come on-site and train their personnel. The philosophy is direct: everything taught here has been validated in real-world law enforcement and special operations contexts, then stripped of institutional bureaucracy and delivered in Southern California weather to anyone who shows up ready to work.
Murphy’s benchmark for what skill retention actually requires is equally direct. Shooting is a repetitive task skill. Three practice sessions a year will not sustain proficiency, the same way driving or typing three times a year would not. The more consistently a shooter trains, the more the motor patterns hold under stress.
The FTA Greeny: A Gift Card That Never Expires
FTA offers a program they call a Greeny: a $50 deposit that locks in a 20 to 25 percent discount on any course. They never expire. Murphy recounted a student who called to redeem one 17 years after putting it down and was enrolled in the next available class with the full discount intact. The Greenies can be purchased in bulk and given as gifts, which makes them a practical option for families who want to get multiple people trained on their own schedule. Anyone sent by the Gunslinger crew is encouraged to say so when they arrive.
After completing a course, students can step directly into the shooting area at Raahauge’s to continue working the skills while they are fresh. The facility also has a private area where visitors can rent firearms and shoot without enrolling in a formal class, which ties back directly to the earlier question about where to try handguns before buying.
How Many Guns Can a California CCW Holder Carry?
California CCW holders are permitted to carry two loaded firearms on their person at any given time. How many guns appear on the permit itself varies significantly by county. Los Angeles County caps the permit at three listed firearms. Orange County imposes no upper limit, so a permit holder can qualify with as many guns as they choose to carry. Murphy’s team qualified a holder with ten guns on his permit the same day this episode was recorded. The record at FTA belongs to a husband and wife who each had 23 firearms listed, back when spouses could share guns on their permits and the two of them apparently lost track of whose was whose.
Murphy’s practical advice is to resist the temptation to list a large number of firearms. Qualifying with ten or twenty guns takes the entire eight-hour renewal window, and the result is shallow familiarity with many platforms rather than genuine proficiency with one. The permit allows it, but the training math works against it.
Leather vs. Kydex, and the Retention Question
On the leather versus Kydex question, Murphy’s answer is honest about where the money goes. A quality leather holster from a respected maker such as Milt Sparks runs around $300. It is a one-of-a-kind piece built for a specific gun and the person carrying it. But today’s Kydex options are genuinely good, they hold their shape, they do not absorb moisture, and they can be molded to accommodate weapon lights and ancillary gear in a way leather typically cannot. Murphy carries a Staccato on duty in a Kydex holster and considers the fit and function to be excellent. The choice ultimately comes down to the environment and how the gun will be used, not brand loyalty.
On retention, Murphy frames it as a continuum rather than a binary. For concealed carry, the garment covering the gun is the first layer of security. Nobody can grab what they cannot see. An open-top Kydex holster under a cover garment allows for a faster draw than a duty rig with multiple retention devices, and speed matters when the encounter develops in under three seconds. On duty, where the gun is visible and a potential threat can see exactly where it rides, two levels of mechanical retention make sense because the risk of a grab attempt is real. Murphy transitioned away from the Beretta he was initially issued at a large sheriff’s department partly because the combination of a manual safety and a two-level retention holster added too much time to the draw. He moved to a SIG without a manual safety and later to the Staccato, where he sweeps the thumb safety off during the draw stroke itself, keeping the retention device defeat and the safety manipulation inside a single fluid motion.
For anyone ready to get serious about carry training, Firearms Training Associates can be reached at (714) 701-9918. And when you are ready to find the right firearm to put in that holster, Gunslinger Auctions is the most transparent way to buy.
Frequently Asked Questions
How many loaded guns can a California CCW holder carry at once?
California CCW holders may carry two loaded firearms on their person at any given time. The number of firearms listed on the permit itself depends on the issuing county. Los Angeles County limits permit holders to three listed guns. Orange County has no cap, so a holder can qualify with and carry as many firearms as they choose to list, though qualifying with a large number takes significant range time during each renewal cycle.
What is the difference between leather and Kydex holsters for concealed carry?
Leather holsters from quality makers like Milt Sparks are custom-fitted, durable, and carry well against the body, but typically cost around $300 and require break-in time. Kydex holsters are molded precisely to specific firearm models, hold their shape in all conditions, do not absorb moisture, and can be configured to accommodate weapon lights and accessories. Modern Kydex is considered by many instructors to be the more practical choice for daily carry, while leather remains preferred by those who prioritize a custom fit and are willing to invest in it.
Do I need a retention holster for concealed carry in California?
There is no legal requirement in California mandating a retention holster for CCW holders. For concealed carry, the cover garment itself serves as the primary layer of security since an unseen gun cannot be grabbed. An open-top holster under a jacket or cover shirt allows for a faster draw, which matters in encounters that resolve in three seconds or less. Duty carry, where the firearm is visible, warrants multiple retention levels because the risk of a disarm attempt is higher. The appropriate retention level depends on how and where the gun is carried.
What military units has Firearms Training Associates trained?
Firearms Training Associates, run by Bill Murphy, has been contracted to provide training for SOCOM (Special Operations Command) including Green Berets, Naval Special Warfare Development Group (DEVGRU), MARSOC (Marine Special Operations Command), and Air Force Pararescuemen. Murphy also spent years running the training division for SureFire and has instructed at Gunsite Academy. That experience informs every course FTA offers, from beginner pistol through force-on-force scenario training.
Where can I try different handguns before buying in Southern California?
Most indoor shooting ranges in Southern California offer firearm rentals, letting you shoot several different models before committing to a purchase. Options in the region include Magnum Range in the Inland Empire, Smoke and Barrel in Simi Valley, Evans Firing Line, LA Progressive, La Point, the Beverly Hills Gun Club, and Burro Canyon. Mike Raahauge Shooting Enterprises in Eastvale also has a private rental area. Call ahead to confirm current inventory and always bring a friend, as most ranges require a companion when renting.
Sources, Credibility, and Continuing the Conversation
The recommendations and observations herein rest on decades of hands-on experience: restorations, hunts, auctioneering, and studio conversation. Practical advice leans best when tempered by cautious humility – test gear, vet sellers, and keep learning from trusted elders in the trade.
